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Dee Karl
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 06.20.2009

Nov 24 @ 9:55 AM ET
Dee Karl: Losing So Much More than Points Where do they go from here? no place but up.
SiloCity
Location: McDavid or whoever is not going to make a difference for a couple years if that-SABRES89, NY
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 24 @ 10:20 AM ET
Unless snow makes a big move for

More defensive minded forwards

Better blue liners

A starting (good) goaltender

There is little hope the isles start to improve

Do you hold on to your better assets and say screw it or trade a few because the return could be quite good for the isles if they were willing to move some better prospects.

Rumors are from someone that has gotten inside info in the past that Miller will absolutely not be with the team. Lafontaine has found his GM and a trade is in the pipeline.

If I was Buffalo I would move

How about

Miller (retained salary) Pysyk + your 1st back

for

Strome+a cap dump so they are free to possibly take on another contract via trade
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Nov 24 @ 10:28 AM ET
Unless snow makes a big move for

More defensive minded forwards

Better blue liners

A starting (good) goaltender

There is little hope the isles start to improve

Do you hold on to your better assets and say screw it or trade a few because the return could be quite good for the isles if they were willing to move some better prospects.

Rumors are from someone that has gotten inside info in the past that Miller will absolutely not be with the team. Lafontaine has found his GM and a trade is in the pipeline.

If I was Buffalo I would move

How about

Miller (retained salary) Pysyk + your 1st back

for

Strome+a cap dump so they are free to possibly take on another contract via trade

- SiloCity


Miller wants no part of the Isles. Isles not giving up Strome for a guy that can walk. Isles need a better GM and coach to go along with a much better D before Miller. Poulin can probably get the job done if he had a decent coach and D.
Dan Petriw
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 12.03.2006

Nov 24 @ 10:34 AM ET
Unless snow makes a big move for

More defensive minded forwards

Better blue liners

A starting (good) goaltender

There is little hope the isles start to improve

Do you hold on to your better assets and say screw it or trade a few because the return could be quite good for the isles if they were willing to move some better prospects.

Rumors are from someone that has gotten inside info in the past that Miller will absolutely not be with the team. Lafontaine has found his GM and a trade is in the pipeline.

If I was Buffalo I would move

How about

Miller (retained salary) Pysyk + your 1st back

for

Strome+a cap dump so they are free to possibly take on another contract via trade

- SiloCity



you can't trade strome for a player that could walk July first.
2raven2
New York Islanders
Location: Brooks, AB
Joined: 02.09.2013

Nov 24 @ 10:34 AM ET
From buffalo I would something easy like AMAC and DeHaan for Mike Weber
SiloCity
Location: McDavid or whoever is not going to make a difference for a couple years if that-SABRES89, NY
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 24 @ 10:35 AM ET
Miller wants no part of the Isles. Isles not giving up Strome for a guy that can walk. Isles need a better GM and coach to go along with a much better D before Miller. Poulin can probably get the job done if he had a decent coach and D.
- ses111


What constitutes getting the job done? Whats the goal this season?

Miller can walk but theres nowhere for him to walk to? The rumors were always that he wanted to be on the west coast....what team has any need for him?

Maybe colorado if Varly gets found guilty....besides from that

LA nope
ANA nope
PHX nope
SJ nope

I think its more hype than anything. Miller has a good chance of signing anywhere he gets traded. The teams who dont want him dont need him and wont this offseason anyways.
SiloCity
Location: McDavid or whoever is not going to make a difference for a couple years if that-SABRES89, NY
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 24 @ 10:37 AM ET
From buffalo I would something easy like AMAC and DeHaan for Mike Weber
- 2raven2

AMAC?

DeHann has allot of upside

Weber can be good and can be an absolute train wreck some nights. Hes alright
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Nov 24 @ 10:38 AM ET
What constitutes getting the job done? Whats the goal this season?

Miller can walk but theres nowhere for him to walk to? The rumors were always that he wanted to be on the west coast....what team has any need for him?

Maybe colorado if Varly gets found guilty....besides from that

LA nope
ANA nope
PHX nope
SJ nope

I think its more hype than anything. Miller has a good chance of signing anywhere he gets traded. The teams who dont want him dont need him and wont this offseason anyways.

- SiloCity


The goal is the same for any Isles season. Keep the payroll as low as possible and keep the Yes men in charge. Miller will find another team somewhere over selecting the Isles.
SiloCity
Location: McDavid or whoever is not going to make a difference for a couple years if that-SABRES89, NY
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 24 @ 10:39 AM ET
The goal is the same for any Isles season. Keep the payroll as low as possible and keep the Yes men in charge. Miller will find another team somewhere over selecting the Isles.
- ses111


Yeah I feel sorry for you guys. Its truly an ownership problem. We know it all too well when Golisano was in town. While we had a few good runs he absolutely was the reason we could never "take the next step"

So close but was never willing to shell out to retain talent or bring anyone in that might actually help

ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Nov 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
Yeah I feel sorry for you guys. Its truly an ownership problem. We know it all too well when Golisano was in town. While we had a few good runs he absolutely was the reason we could never "take the next step"

So close but was never willing to shell out to retain talent or bring anyone in that might actually help

- SiloCity


No excuse not to hire a good GM and coach. It will not cost millions like players. I always gave Wang a pass about not having a large payroll because of the building. He gets no pass for not hiring the best possible GM and coach though. Wang can still keep the payroll small until Brooklyn and a good GM and coach will find a way. It's all about Wang's Ego and not admitting he is clueless.
2raven2
New York Islanders
Location: Brooks, AB
Joined: 02.09.2013

Nov 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
From buffalo I would something easy like AMAC and DeHaan for Mike Weber
- 2raven2

After that call up Phoenix who needs some offence and see if we can get one of there studs on defence which they have about 8 off them.
Lee and PMD for Mark Stone
Fan101
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.08.2007

Nov 24 @ 2:09 PM ET
When a team gives up this many goals the problem lies with the d and goaltending. Its even sadder when your GM is a former NHL goaltender and the coach was a d man... and the owner really wanted to own a basketball team.

Between periods interview was about how Philly turned their season around by hiring a coaching staff with alot of NHL playing and coaching experience.
slapshot018
New York Islanders
Location: 4, NY
Joined: 08.04.2011

Nov 25 @ 10:47 AM ET
you dont think the coaching staff has anything to do with it?

you dont think it makes absolutely no sense to bench michael grabner, far and away our best penalty killer, our best skater, our best two way player?

you dont think it makes no sense at all for brock nelson, who was tearing it up on a line with JT, to be suddenly in the press box when vanek returns, meanwhile there are unproductive players still coasting in the line up?

you dont think it was a terrible decision to have colin mcdonald play on the first line for a game when the guy can barely skate or create plays, when he too was benched earlier in the season for a lack of production? dont even get me started on his plus minus...it made 0 sense for him to be "promoted"

do you think its smart that they didnt give reinhardt, far and away their best dman in preseason, not even a 9 game look? or even a one game look?

you dont think changing lines every other shift to "find chemistry" makes 0 sense whatsoever? because anyone thats ever played hockey, even peewee, knows that it takes more than a game, a period, A SHIFT, to form chemistry.

give me a break: "The coaches didnt lose the islanders, the islanders lost themselves." the coaching staff has A LOT to do with this.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Nov 25 @ 12:55 PM ET
you dont think the coaching staff has anything to do with it?

you dont think it makes absolutely no sense to bench michael grabner, far and away our best penalty killer, our best skater, our best two way player?

you dont think it makes no sense at all for brock nelson, who was tearing it up on a line with JT, to be suddenly in the press box when vanek returns, meanwhile there are unproductive players still coasting in the line up?

you dont think it was a terrible decision to have colin mcdonald play on the first line for a game when the guy can barely skate or create plays, when he too was benched earlier in the season for a lack of production? dont even get me started on his plus minus...it made 0 sense for him to be "promoted"

do you think its smart that they didnt give reinhardt, far and away their best dman in preseason, not even a 9 game look? or even a one game look?

you dont think changing lines every other shift to "find chemistry" makes 0 sense whatsoever? because anyone thats ever played hockey, even peewee, knows that it takes more than a game, a period, A SHIFT, to form chemistry.

give me a break: "The coaches didnt lose the islanders, the islanders lost themselves." the coaching staff has A LOT to do with this.

- slapshot018

The coaching staff is almost as clueless as the person who wrote this blog.


Edit;

You can throw Snow in there too.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Nov 26 @ 9:50 AM ET
When a team gives up this many goals the problem lies with the d and goaltending. Its even sadder when your GM is a former NHL goaltender and the coach was a d man... and the owner really wanted to own a basketball team.

Between periods interview was about how Philly turned their season around by hiring a coaching staff with alot of NHL playing and coaching experience.

- Fan101


You're oversimplifying this. When the same type of breakdowns continually occur in your defense, your problem is a combination of personnel (defense) and system play (coach). Poulin has played pretty damn well considering this. It's too easy to point the finger at the goalie in these cases without considering that Patrick Roy would look like crap on this team.

Add two top four dmen and a coach that knows how to actually coach and this team would take off.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Nov 26 @ 10:51 AM ET
You're oversimplifying this. When the same type of breakdowns continually occur in your defense, your problem is a combination of personnel (defense) and system play (coach). Poulin has played pretty damn well considering this. It's too easy to point the finger at the goalie in these cases without considering that Patrick Roy would look like crap on this team.

Add two top four dmen and a coach that knows how to actually coach and this team would take off.

- keaner17

Goaltenders will be the scape goat for Capuano and company along with Dee not because they are right but due to them sucking and looking for someone to blame(the coaching staff) or in Dee's case not having a clue about the game of hockey.
islander4cups
New York Islanders
Location: United States, VA
Joined: 07.01.2008

Nov 26 @ 7:28 PM ET
Really Dee...don't say what it really is. Just a blurb about defense and its pinned on injuries?

Gimme a break. Lubo is a legit dman who's absence hurts our PP and in our own zone. While I never hope for someone to get hurt, Hickey being out cannot hurt this team. He's THE WORST DMAN THE ISLES HAVE DRESSED IN 15 YEARS.

We understand you can't criticize Garth or else you lose your access to the blog box, but if you aren't going to write the truth, why write at all? You are wasting everyone's time by being an inept mouthpiece for the front office.

The TRUTH IS our defense is not NHL level. It wasn't before Lubo was hurt. Lubo, Amac and Hamonic are the only ones who deserve to be on an nhl starting day roster. That means we have been playing 3-4 defensemen that are not NHL ready. If you want to argue that Donovan is nhl ready, well, rookies come with baggage but his baggage does not merit the top 4 minutes he's been playing.

Give up this column Dee. It is ridiculous. GArth went cheap on the D when he should have at least gone out and got a Scuderi type or two at around 3-3.5 mill a year that plays SOUND defense. I'll take 2-3 more of those type of defensemen and we won't give up late leads like we have done REPEATEDLY...not just this year but the last three years.

This defense is a JOKE. That is why we suck. Who's responsible for that? And don't tell me injuries.
islander4cups
New York Islanders
Location: United States, VA
Joined: 07.01.2008

Nov 26 @ 7:32 PM ET
AMAC?

DeHann has allot of upside

Weber can be good and can be an absolute train wreck some nights. Hes alright

- SiloCity


DeHann has NO UPSIDE right now. Think about it. He's lost 2 seasons to shoulder injuries. Right now, he's still trying to prove he can play hockey without breaking down let alone crack an NHL roster. There is a reason why Donovan made it to the nhl faster than DeHann. Too bad too because the kid has a ton of promise before that injury in the WJC.